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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:23 am    Post subject: blog: folder junctions Reply with quote

here's the comment area for today's article for backup chores
http://www.zabkat.com/blog/07Oct07.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a wonderful post. I learned something new and useful from this. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds really useful, though I haven't grasped the difference between these junctions and the common-or-garden shortcuts.  Perhaps in future versions they cd appear in a different colour by default to avoid the need for registry tinkering.  Incidentally, in the demo I take it that the second two folder junctions to be created in the backup folder (d drive and umeca74) should also have the J attribute in the appropriate column.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I haven't grasped the difference between these junctions and the common-or-garden shortcuts


the difference is that double-clicking on a junction is like entering the folder, whereas on shortcuts it isn't --- well in xplorer2 both do the same but other programs don't realize folder shortcuts as paths. For example, if you specify a path to a junction in notepad c:\organize\moreData it will be understood, but the equivalent path to a folder shortcut "c:\organize\a folder link.lnk" will not

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the second two folder junctions to be created in the backup folder (d drive and umeca74) should also have the J attribute in the appropriate column


well done mr eagle-eyed Smile
the answer to the missing Js is that I had to cheat. You see I didn't want to backup all the folders under e.g. "umeca74" so I created a normal folder and in that I hand-picked the subfolders I wanted to backup. In there you would see the J.

hopefully your filesystem organization will be better than mine and you wouldn't have to do such kludges Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Nikos!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sadly network targets are not supported, except through mapped drive names.

What could be the reason why I cannot use this feature even with mapped drive names? maybe OS (win2000 sp4)?
anyway, thanks for the useful hints.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what's the error you are receiving? (check also help | last error)
in general mapped drives would suffer since sometimes the drive letters to the same network target may change so the junction won't work
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(directly translated from Italian) "Junctions are supported only on NTFS partitions and only for local paths, Windows error = 6 Handle not valid".
Actually, all partitions are ntfs, and drive letters are consistently the same for the same network target.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i haven't done any testing for networks, so perhaps what i wrote is wrong but then again it could be just a w2000 limitation

vista has introduced symbolic links that could be the answer to network location problems. THat should be coming in the next xplorer2 update
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: How I use Junctions (Reparse Points) Reply with quote

1) I keep the OS and programs on a partition separate from data, to aid backups.  For computers I set up for family members who will make heavy use of "My Documents", I simply make the top-level "Documents and Settings" a junction for a location on the data drive.

Similarly, I've helped people move data from a full drive to a new drive without the path names changing.

2) Before SATA, I had separate not-so-large but very fast SCSI drives, a fast ATA drive, and a cheap huge drive.  I could keep my files under a single tree, but move groups to different physical storage depending on need.  Actually, that's why Junctions were introduced in the first place.

3) Sometimes I use hard links to reduce the number of identical copies of a file.  Not that we really need the space anymore, but because it annoys me, or to ensure shared Segments when those dlls are actually used in memory.

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In the beginning, I used "Junction.exe" from sysinternals.  More recently, I've used the built-in commands in 4NT once they became available.  I think I'd use them more if they were properly built-in to the explorer shell, so I'll be trying that feature on xplorer˛ when I run into potential uses again.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you use junctions a lot you'll gain time adding a keyboard shortcut to x2's junction commands (Customize | Keyboard). They are way too deep in submenus as it is
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nikos wrote:
They are way too deep in submenus as it is


Why not put them on the drop target menu?  Normally I shift-drag items and get a drop menu asking if I want to copy or move or make a shortcut.  This should contain additional choices for making a hard link, junction, or symlink, as applicable.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this could be added in a future version
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