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nikos Moderator


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kev Bronze Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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it would seem logical in a case of distributed writes as you describe for solid state memory that the shred function would zero the file with the most recent changes as mapped by up-to-date file allocation information, not writing zeroes somewhere else.
it is surely from previous writes in the file's history that file data allocated elsewhere might remain, and therein lies the risk. |
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nikos Moderator


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| but this information is hidden from top level applications. That's why the only security comes from formatting/erasing the complete USB stick, not just a single file |
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snemarch Member

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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:48 am Post subject: |
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For solid-state devices with write distribution it's not the filesystem the distributes the writes, but the device firmware - which means the information isn't just invisible to top-level applications, your OS doesn't (and can't) know about it either.
I haven't heard about any USB flash drives that does this, though - and a lot of SATA SSDs don't even have the feature either, because it means somewhat more expensive design.
PS: before anybody starts yelling that single-pass zero overwrite is unsafe, read the Gutmann article that Nikos links to... even Gutmann himself says that these days, he doubts that (even with the batshit insane expensive lab equipment) you'd be able to recover data after a single-pass overwrite. |
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Kilmatead Gold Member

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| snemarch wrote: | | ...the batshit insane expensive lab equipment |
Cheaper if you live in Austin as guano is in plentiful supply.  |
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