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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:49 am    Post subject: blog: secure file/folder deletion Reply with quote

here's the comment area for today's blog article found at
http://zabkat.com/blog/30Aug09-destroy-files.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it would seem logical in a case of distributed writes as you describe for solid state memory that the shred function would zero the file with the most recent changes as mapped by up-to-date file allocation information, not writing zeroes somewhere else.

it is surely from previous writes in the file's history that file data allocated elsewhere might remain, and therein lies the risk.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but this information is hidden from top level applications. That's why the only security comes from formatting/erasing the complete USB stick, not just a single file
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For solid-state devices with write distribution it's not the filesystem the distributes the writes, but the device firmware - which means the information isn't just invisible to top-level applications, your OS doesn't (and can't) know about it either.

I haven't heard about any USB flash drives that does this, though - and a lot of SATA SSDs don't even have the feature either, because it means somewhat more expensive design.

PS: before anybody starts yelling that single-pass zero overwrite is unsafe, read the Gutmann article that Nikos links to... even Gutmann himself says that these days, he doubts that (even with the batshit insane expensive lab equipment) you'd be able to recover data after a single-pass overwrite.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

snemarch wrote:
...the batshit insane expensive lab equipment

Cheaper if you live in Austin as guano is in plentiful supply.  Wink
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